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  1. One of the members here has his 6-dot Julleuchter, a very nice example
  2. Bjorn, Super eagle The period pictures are great too. Would you mind if I used them on my web page to illustrate their use?
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    Allach Thread

    We need more Julleuchter My three most recent pieces..Left to right; ca 1936 6-Dot, then centre an example reported by the SS Officers family as being awarded in 1942 and a typical ca. 1944 period piece.
  4. 6. SS-Gebirgs-Division „Nord“ Nachrichten-Abteilung - Is there a list of them men, NCO and Officers who served in this unit available anywhere? Thanks, Steve
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    Bread Plate

    The sign is in super condition!
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    Bread Plate

    Gerome, Nice badges! I'm glad you like my home site, more a collection of information than knowledge but thanks for the kind words. The 'polish' is natural shellac, its not a polish like a wax but its often called polish, but its a natural polymer just as would have been used in the times these items were made. Synthetic polymers were very new technology back then, not in wide use. Shellac is the traditional finish. It's nice to leave plates as they are if presentable. Many have the shellac finish but sometimes oak is just left natural and waxed. I doubt your plate ever had any shellac. Probably just beeswax. Shellac, useful stuff, you'll find it on the stocks of AK-47's and as food additive E904!
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    Bread Plate

    Here's a monster of a plate in one solid piece of oak, 0.5 metres in diameter! I bought this from a family along with a HJ Landjahr Rune plate though this one has nothing really precise to tell us its time frame or what it is. The oak leaf wreath is very similar to that on the 1933 Gau Munchen badge with its oak leaves with 5 bands, the oak leaf design in the center might suggest a military related achievement grade, as they often do, for example take the oak leaf grading system on the SS Shooting badge. Who knows what it is for but an impressive piece of well carved oak that must have been important to someone at some point. It had suffered some water damage so I had to put some new polish on it. Julleuchter for size comparison.
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    Bread Plate

    Just thought of another NS plate with Christian message, auction group of Reichsnährstand related material. Photo © Hermann Historica
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    Bread Plate

    Here's another one, a large piece in linden wood, a war plate from the Island of Norderney. It tells us its from 1941 so again we just have to believe it or not. I like it. Julleuchter for size comparison.
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    Bread Plate

    Gerome, Some lovely items there. I remember the plate too, from WAF. Bought in auction, presented and sold on WAF. It was called under suspicion and hotly debated and if I recall correctly the crux of the matter being that it was thought to have been modified/re-carved post auction by its first post auction owner. Personally from viewing all the same pictures everyone had the opportunity to view, I don't think think that was the case. Without reading it all over again for precise details I remember my thoughts were the plate had all the carving in all the pictures and so based on the photographs I don't think it was re-carved. Pictures often don't show all the details well, the lighting angles make a big difference and lighting plates well in photography is not that easy without spending time on the images. I'm a photographer and I don't spend much time on photography on my own items for myself, a lot more detail would be revealed with some effort. Whether it was re-carved or not was one issue, the other being whether its a period item or not and with this plate in such fine condition that's not easy from viewing on a forum. It would really need to be inspected and even then, it looks to be in such good shape you may never be able to get any good feeling of age. Still, being in such good shape and original to the period is not impossible.Just open the door of an oak cupboard or chest that's 50 or a 100 years old the interior will look completely new. It would just have to been kept in a cupboard in the house all the time. Most plates I have give some indication of age, most are not even round anymore, evidence of hanging on walls a long time, where the dust/dirt builds up and modifies the surface colour and so on can be seen. In fact let me take the doors off a period Deutsches Heimatwerk Truhen-Anricht 91 and you can see the inside and outside to illustrate what I mean. Inside looks like new relative to the outside. It's sort of interesting, let's assume for a moment this plate is newish, it goes to show that if a modern plate were to be made and claimed to be TR period it would would be called out as modern by most! So why bother making one that looks like new! Faking convincing age must be a lot more work. I've seen one or two that look like they have been made to look old, but honestly not very convincing. It's a hell of a lot of work to clean up an old poor condition plate to even get it allowed in the house by the girlfriend! Best regards, Steve
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    Bread Plate

    Back to Edda plates, I forgot I had this one in the cupboard, a good piece of oak weighing in at, 2.5 lbs! "Heil dem Gast...." with "Edda"
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    Bread Plate

    Hi Gaston, I completely agree with you, it's not correct to call all wooden items original SS or even NS/SS items and as you say anonymous plates and so on are hard to prove and certain pieces can be discussed until the cows come home and you will never get any proof. I take your point about calling this particular plate an SS/NS plate, perhaps you are thinking I said that just because of the script. My thoughts were along the lines if we consider a plate of this type to period 1933-1945, by calling it NS/SS I'm making a similar point to one of yours, in that we can't precisely call it an SS plate, only that it could be because we know its a script used by the SS. This is an art and craft area of collecting and so its a form that was evolving even in the period, so yes, no doubt exactly similar (in the case of simple Christian motif plates) and similar art and craft existed before and after the TR. With any craft of this type certain symbols, styles, sayings and materials come into fashion and existing designs and forms develop. By it's nature this area is very confusing and challenging, it's a lot fun for many folks who like it, it's also relatively inexpensive. We can't nail down items with proof as we do with medals and such like but we know these things we made and used and in many cases we can assess them in terms of age on such factors as materials, wear, symbolism (pagan, Christian, folk art etc), scripts and so on. Sometimes they are less anonymous and can have makers, signatures and occasionally they are also dated and so giving more to consider. Here's a plate that can be very confusing, in my judgment is it from the TR period, it tells me enough to be comfortable with believing it is period but it is confusing mix of symbolism and in some respects reflects the periods mix of Nazism (Swastika), Christianity(Script) and Paganism(Rune). (Certainly an odd mix to fake and sell if one was to consider it being a fantasy/fake!) One more, in this case its telling us what it is, just have to make a judgement on whether it's telling us the truth. Looks good to me. Best regards, Steve
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    Bread Plate

    As an aside, here's a photo in my collection with an SS Wedding plate. These craft items were clearly important to the SS. SS-Obergruppenführer Fritz Weitzel describes the gifting of an SS Wedding Plate in his book “The Celebrations In The Life Of The SS Family; "A special friend from the ranks of the SS should sit opposite the couple. Just before the meal or during its earlier part he talks to the couple about the value and regard the State and the SS have for the family and the importance of the preservation of the Folk. He should talk about the SS motto My Honour Is Loyalty, which now becomes also the motto for the woman. He should point out that as long as the couple keeps to the SS laws and do their duty, the SS will protect them.He then accepts the woman into the ranks of the SS and hands the couple a small gift. This could be a book or a picture.He also gives them a wooden plate holding some bread and salt, and two earthenware mugs. These gifts shall remind them to keep to a simple and clean life style. The words of the speaker should end with a Sieg Heil! for The Leader and the newly weds.Different groups of the SS community can help with the cooking of the food, providing of music, decorating of rooms, and so on. The groups range from the Hitler Youth to the SS Band and the Women’s Group.”
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