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Hi All, and pleased to be here. I have spent some weeks (actually no months) looking around at German militaria and pondered ''should i or shouldn't i''. Having spoken to a number of different people the same resonating answer seems to come back to me - 'Don't bother, there's so many fakes, and its so expensive. This has made me think more and more to just not get started on this ... but.

 

I did find a Wehrpass a few weeks ago in a antique shop which he didn't want which i decided to buy at a good price and well - that's as far as i have got.

 

I have decided to join this site as it looks as though there is alot of information, support and protection offered to the members here and with that in mind im hopeful i might get some help and guidance on how to get started, with some of the cheaper starter German stuff.

 

If you can help me - please get in touch. Great to meet you all. Neil16 :smile:

 

 

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Hi Neil,

Welcome to this forum and to the world of collecting militaria. 

There is some definite truths to the advice that others have given.  There is a world of forgeries and fakes.  However, forums like this can help educate you as you pursue your collecting goals. 

There is many interesting facets to collecting.  Everyone has their own certain style and pocketbook will also play a key role in this decision.  For instance, anything dealing with the SS, you had better have a large billfold with oodles of excess cash available. 

Why are you pondering collecting? What part of history would you like to study/collect?  Find your passion. 

I personally, collect the Kriegsmarine as do many other collectors.  I collect Mützenbänder.  (Naval Cap ribbons/tally's) This is a relatively affordable area to collect, however, as you get to more of the obscure or popular ships, this can run some pretty good money. 

 

I wish to pass on a warning:  If you have an addictive personality and like to gamble and such, this can be as bad as that.  I have known several people who have spent fortunes on items and their marriages, finances have all gone to hell.  This is and can be addictive if you have an addictive personality.  Just a word of warning.  

 

Another piece of advice:  Collect for your own enjoyment.  Don't buy something just because you think it is a sound investment. Plan on that item to either maintain it's value or even loose value over time.   There are many of us who have different opinions about the future of the collecting market.  I personally feel that we are very close to coming to the peak of prices in the next decade or so.  The older collectors who have collections acquired from family and their father's wartime experiences and who acquired items like a M40 Decal helmet for $15USD in 1960 and now that helmet is going for around $550+ now, the world of collectors is going to get smaller.  And the number of potential buyers who are willing to fork over $550+ for a basic issued item like a M40 helmet are going to be fewer.  When a surplus of sellers with similar items is flooding the market, the market price for that item falls.  This is just my opinion. 

 

Don't buy something without checking and getting some opinions of others.  Never feel pressured to purchase something right there on the spot.  "If it's too good of a deal, then it probably is and there is a reason why it is priced that way."

There is topic regarding who members have had positive dealings with with regards to sellers.  Check them out. 

 

Enough of my ramblings.  Welcome!

JustinG

Don't be afraid to ask.  We are a very helpful bunch and we are willing to help. 

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If I had to do it over, I would collect Mützenbänder (My collection is very rare)  and I would have an EK1, My EK2 and I would have put much of my money away for trips and tours to the battlefields and museum admissions.  I estimate I have spent about $30K in my time.  Could have taken quite a few good trips.  But, I do enjoy looking at my collection and it is one I have enjoyed putting time and researching.  It is something that my closest and friends also appreciate.

 

Last bit of advice:

Be careful who you share your collecting with.  Many people can misunderstand a love of history for a person who is sympathetic to National Socialism or other supremacy or hate groups.

 

Regards,

JustinG

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Hi Neil, all I can say apart from welcome is that there are many knowledgeable folks on this forum in their respective fields who're friendly & will help assist you properly. Rather than give you the age old "It's crap" or "original" answers. They'll endeavour to give you a reasoning for their assumption. Kind regards, Stewy

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Welcome  to  the  forum  Neil. There  re  a lot of people here  who  will  help  you so  if  you  decide  to  buy anything  just  ask  for  help  or  advice.

 

Great  to  have  you  here

 

Jim

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Thanks everybody, this is the sort of thing i was hoping for. I'm not looking to collect to make money. This is purely out of historical interest and a shared passion with my younger son (who is currently doing the Third Reich at school). As JustinG asked above with regards to what i was looking to collect. At this point i am simply looking for non-expensive, run of the mill German, and i'm hoping my Naivety doesn't get the better of me. When i say i know very little - i mean 'i know very little'. So my plan is hopefully get hold of some common, cheap pieces to start me off. As long as it is origional and most importantly 'interesting'  - thats the most important thing to me, as i would like to do my own research. If anybody can help me, please let me know

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Hi Neil,

 

what Justin said is maybe the best advise of them all: never be pressured. Sometimes one HAS to have some item but in fact there is more than enough around for everybody and another nice item will appear soon if you missed the first one :smile:

 

If I had little money and still wanted a good item I would probably start with a wound badge in black. Take one which is worn, it is cheap and it is an item which was on the uniform of some soldier for years. I find those little things have a lot of character and you really know they have been there.

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Hi Michael. Thanks, and yes i agree. That is the sort of thing i was thinking of, ground dug items, cheap items, common items. But the ones that have abit of a story or that bit of character of their own. I put a wanted ad on Gumtree a while back...before i wised up to how grey this area of militaria can be. Can anybody tell me if the sales area on here is safe? i've been looking and there seems to be stuff offered from all over the place. Can anybody tell me the best place to go for the sort of things i am looking for?

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Check out "The Collector's Inn"  on this site.   There you will see the top threads which are pinned:  "Recommended Dealer Sites" and the 2nd down is the "Caution buying here: the Bad and the Ugly"  Take a look at what others have posted.  

You will see some links to many if not all of the dealers. 

 

Since you are so new, I would really try to avoid sites like Ebay. 

 

The For Sale forum here is very good.  These are your fellow members.  We scrutinize and will speak up if there is question or doubt on an item.

 

Best Regards,

JustinG

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well, dealers are very expensive !   look at the "sales" add on this page, cheaper and remember we all see them ---   so any fakes will be called quickly..

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Welcome to the Forum, Neil, Justin has said it all and feel free to browse in the sales threads here in the Militaria for Sale sections, it is all original and safe to buy, if not, you have a whole community behind you to help, including me.

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Hi everybody - great advice, and thank-you. Makes me feel a little more at ease with it all, and you all seem friendly, forthcoming and honest. I don't have any particular area i want to collect, I'm not out to make money, so anybody has any interesting 'basics' to help me get started, ill be interested. Some advice i was given was to stick with the common stuff like West-wall medals, Iron Cross Second Class, Eastern Front ECT ECT. Having looked, i  would prefer battle damaged or 'dug' peices as i think these would have more character and interest. Does anybody have any thoughts?? .. (PeterPaul ill drop you a PM when i work out how too) :)

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Personally I collect late war German stuff, as a rule I try(only try)to keep the gear 1944 or 45 stamped... 

 

Besides that I enjoy Sold Bucher, as they are a uniqe wiew into one German soldiers personal war..   Where did he do service which battles did he take part in, stuff like that ...

 

But mind you, reading a Sold Buch isnt just something you do, there are loads of inscriptions you have to make out...  If you ever need help I am willing to have a look for you ..

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Also do not trust the dealers .A lot of these buggers will sell you crap .calling it a variant or some other crap like that.

I know I may get a bit of grief but other sites will also give you access to database's where you can see known fakes and originels. is this Plymouth UK or USA

Enjoy ..Oh never believe the storys you will get spun by ANY seller dealer or Jo public all dicks .The Truth is out there just needs grabbing by the balls and given a good kicking.

You will be fine

   my best regards a very addicted TR enamel lover .

 

EDITORIAL NOTE: HWMF has also its own Reference Databases 

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