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Joachim Von Ribbentrop Handwritten Article

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Hi,

I wonder if anyone could help me. I have been searching everywhere for some help with this!

I have recently come across an article supposedly written by Joachim von Ribbentrop.

The article is handwritten by him, in English, in 1936.

The basis of the article is Germany from 1918 to 1936. In it, he discusses the unfairness of the Treaty of Versailles, the threat of Bolshevism & the right of Germany to have colonies.

After some self research, I am strongly leaning towards this article/essay being real and original. This is due to a number of points;

1). The quality of the article, whereby the grammar & spelling is very poor, as von Ribbentrop's was supposedly.

2). The viewpoints discussed int be article are the same as von Ribbentrop's at the time, especially relating to Germnay's right to colonies.

3). He was present in Enlgand in 1936, having been sent by Hitler to improve relations with the English.

4). He has signed the article & having compared this to others (albeit online!), it seems to be the same.

I am just interested in other people's opinion. Does anyone know if he did write an article similar to this around this time? Perhaps this was a first handwritten draft?

I've attached a couple of pictures, including his signature.

Any help at all would be great.

Many thanks

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Why would he be writing in English - is there any indication that this has been written to someone specific? Are there any other examples of Ribbentrop writing articles on poor quality paper?

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No idea if this is written by Ribbentrop or not, but he was the German Ambassador in London at this time.

Kind regards

Pierce

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Can we see the signature please? The name on the top right of the first scan isn't a signature or if it is it isn't his.

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Those are the signatures of Rudolf von Ribbentrop rather than his father, Joachim.

I referred to the supposed signature on the top right of the first scan as it doesn't match any Joachim von Ribbentrop signature I've seen. The R for example is very different.

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Those are the signatures of Rudolf von Ribbentrop rather than his father, Joachim.

I referred to the supposed signature on the top right of the first scan as it doesn't match any Joachim von Ribbentrop signature I've seen. The R for example is very different.

 

True, sorry. Do we have an example of his signature from his Joachim von Ribbentrop to show in this thread?

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I have this one in my files and is from a 1938 dated document.Notice the big differences between this example and the one above.

 

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And here are two examples from the Charles Hamilton book. The lower one is dated 1935. Still very different from the example in the original post.

 

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Hey.

Thanks for your replies, feel like I am actually getting somewhere!

I do agree with the fact his signature isn't the same as the name on the article. However, could this be because he isn't actually writing it officially, ie it is not a letter or addressed to anyone & isn't an official document needing his signature. Thus it isn't a signature as such & simply he has written his name.

In relations to why he was writing in English, he was in London at that time & was corresponding with English officials in English, perhaps it was a drafted essay/article? Through my research I have identified a number of letters from Von Ribbentrop to diplomats such as Sir E.Phipps about the unfairness of the Treaty of Versailles. These are on the National Archive which I will have to delve into!

It is very strange. Unfortunately I do no know the background of this letter which would help a lot!

I think the next step for me to do is to read any English correspondence by him & to try & compare his actual handwriting.

I don't understand whose else it could be if not Von Ribbentrop's? Would someone try to fake an essay/article by him?

Thanks again everybody.

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I don't understand whose else it could be if not Von Ribbentrop's? Would someone try to fake an essay/article by him?

Thanks again everybody.

 

If it makes someone money they will fake anything and everything.

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That is true!

I think the only way to find out for certain is to take it to an expert, either a Von Ribbentrop specialist or a handwriting specialist.

I don't want to disregard it as fake until I am 100 percent certain. It is a really interesting insight to Von Ribbentrop IF it's real.

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Found some more examples online. Notice his capital "R" that most of the time stayed the same. He doesn't do this in the written note. Also it seems "von" was added to the signature in the written note (from the original poster), as you see in the given (known) authentic signatures he almost never used this. This are little distinctive marks that are normally hard to leave out when you are used to a signature (so it is almost automatic), none of the mare seen in the poster's written page. These are just my opinion, a handwrite expert would ofcourse go in full details and research to give an exclusive answer.

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