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How was the Wehrstammbuch treated?

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I bought my first Wehrstammbuch and Gesundheitsbuch (ofcourse related to the 212. Inf. Div.), it still didn't arrive but from the images of the seller I noticed various (missing) entries, stamps etcetera. I learned that normally that the Wehrstammbuch was kept at the Wehrmeldeamt and that the information was filled in according to documents that the unit send towards the Wehrmeldeamt so the Wehrstammbuch could be updated. Is this true? Since I noticed in the Wehrstammbuch that some awards / rank were not entered ? 

In other cases I noticed that other Wehrstammbücher were signed and stamped by unit clerks and CO's .. while fighting in Russia so obviously some were not kept at the Wehrmeldeamt.. and went along with the soldier it seems ? 

So how was the Wehrstammbuch 'treated' ? 

Thanks in advance

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Do you have images of the pages showing the relevant entries? I have a couple of these items but when they show the signature of a Kp-Chef etc it is of an Ersatz unit. As far as I am aware the Wehrstammbuch stayed at the Wehrmeldeamt and didn't follow the soldier around like the Wehrpass did.

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On 3-12-2017 at 11:00 AM, Kevin H said:

Do you have images of the pages showing the relevant entries? I have a couple of these items but when they show the signature of a Kp-Chef etc it is of an Ersatz unit. As far as I am aware the Wehrstammbuch stayed at the Wehrmeldeamt and didn't follow the soldier around like the Wehrpass did.

Kevin, I checked your facts and you are right! I looked at the stamps (2 of these WSB are for sale on MilitariaRelics) and they are indeed of a Ersatz unit (like the Genesenden Kompanie), I just looked at the signatures. So I need to correct myself. So they went along with the Ersatz unit? 

How (correctly) were these filled out? As stated earlier, on the one I purchased (still underway), some entries are missing. 

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I would imagine that the Ersatz unit had access to them as the entries show this but whether they kept them or the Ersatz units had a liaison officer at the Wehrmeldeamt or not I have no idea. These items are covered a lot less than Wehrpässe and Soldbücher.

As for how correctly were they filled out, that yours is missing entries pretty much answers the question. Just like the Wehrpass and Soldbuch you will always find examples that are lacking in details that should be present but have not been entered. I have one to a late war GD soldier. His last unit entered is Pz.Gren.Ers.Rgt GD in November 1944 but according to the Volksbund he is listed as missing in East Prussia in 1945 so he did make it to a front line GD unit but it was never entered (nor was the fact that he was missing) but I dare say the later the war the harder it was to get the paperwork squared up between units at the front and the offices back in Germany.

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They were kept at the recruiting office where he joined up.....i.e. Wehrbezirkskommando or Wehrmeldamt.

They were kept up to date by the clerk on receipt of Wehrstammrollenblätter/Truppenstammrollenblätter, Beuerteilungsnotiz etc. However the majority of the time they were unfortunately not kept fully up to date.

I have a couple that have no entries at all except personal details ....the update sheets are in the back so at least I know what units he was in.

/Ian

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Hi,

I've been researching my fathers 'Kriegserfahrung' for many years now - albeit half-heartedly! I'll give you some background as to why his Wehrstammbuch is of interest to me. I was told (by a Kriegskamerad of his) that he had lost his Wehrpass and Soldbuch at a delousing he 'enjoyed' on arrival in England, at Kempton race course, in March 1945. When I actually pressed this issue with his comrade he was more forthcoming. He said that my dad had burned them! Asking him why, he said "because he had been in Russia, of course".

He spent six months in a POW camp in Belgium and apparently had not disposed of them during that time. Whether he had become aware of the possibility he could be sent back to Russia on the basis that he (and many hundreds of thousands of others) could be held accountable for their part in anti-Jewish and anti-partisan operations in Russia from prisoners he had mingled with on the journey, I can only guess at. It's possible that he thought he could dispose of them 'safely' on reaching English soil and plead some form of excuse - their clothing was burnt at the delousing, which was an opportunity.

I have the barest minimum of detail - he retained his citations for awards - so I have the dates for his woundings and when he received various awards for valour. I also have, from the Deutsche Dienstelle, in Berlin, the dates of his promotions.

However all Regimental records were lost to bombing. There are microfilm copies of Divisional records in Maryland but the cost would outweigh the possible results - what I would want to find out is why and how he'd gained the various awards - the circumstances.

I've opened a copy I'd made of 'German Military Identification Documents and Tags' (by Fredrick Clemens and Jason Pipes)

in 2006 and noticed, at the bottom, a reference to a 'Wehrstammbuch'. As it was probably kept in Kassel (his Division (9te Infanterie) was in Wehrkreis IX) I wonder what might have happened to it.

Your conversation suggests that these documents were kept in one location - distant from postings. The availability of them suggests that individual soldiers may have claimed them, post- war. He went back for demobilization in 1949 and it could be that he claimed it then but such a document was not in the ephemera he left at his death. Perhaps he might have disposed of that too - but it seems unlikely given that the Iron Curtain had been drawn by then.

So, I suspect I'm asking the wrong people but any info. on where these documents were held (presumably in Kassel) and if they still might be held, unclaimed would be illuminating. I'm reasonably sure a small book wouldn't have survived but it's worth pursuing.

Thanks for any perusal you give to this long post.

 

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 It could be anywhere and nowhere to be honest. In the latter case it could of been destroyed during the last days of the War by an eager individual or a bombing raid. But also it could be that it is sitting in an archive somewhere, be that in Russia or even in BA-MA. I wonder how Deutsche-Dienstelle got his promotion details?

Alternatively it could be 'out there' somewhere sitting in someone's private collection.

If you go to 

www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de 

and select the option for the division in the Heer section and then scroll to the bottom the archive files are listed for the division which will at least cut down the cost in trying to locate them if you decide to go down that route but a lot of KTB were lost during the war through a fire at the archive.

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