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Have you managed to unearth any more information on this man at all?

 

 

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Twenty seven Focke-Wulf 190 machines of II./Jagdgeschwader 1 took off from their airfield at Störmede before 10:00 on 29-April-1944, on a 'Reichsverteidigung' sortie to intercept a USAAF bomber fleet heading to Berlin.

 

Flying in Focke-Wulf 190 A-8 (+ Yellow 4, Werk Nr: 170 071) Staffelkapitän 6./Jagdgeschwader 1 Oberleutnant Georg-Peter Eder took off with his wingman Feldwebel Alfred Bindseil at 09:40 with orders to assemble his Staffel with II./Jagdgeschwader 1, which in turn formed up with I./Jagdgeschwader 1 and III./Jagdgeschwader 1 over Paderborn at a height of 8000 m, flying in the direction of Kassel.

 

After flying to Plan-Quadrant GU-FU at a height of 7500 to 8000 m, Oberleutnant Eder sighted the USAAF bomber stream, with a heavy fighter escort.  At 10:55 II./Jagdgeschwader 1 reached Plan-Quadrant GB-HB at a height of 7500 m and engaged around 60 Boeing B-17 "Flying Fortress" and B-24 Consolidated "Liberator" aircraft, heading in an easterly direction and heavily escorted by USAAF fighter aircraft.

 

II./Jagdgeschwader commenced a frontal attack against the USAAF bomber stream.  At 10:58 Oberleutnant Eder attacked a Boeing B-17 "Flying Fortress" on the right-hand side of the formation from a distance starting at 600 m before disengaging at 100 m.  Oberleutnant Eder observed hits to the left wing of the aircraft, which descended into a spin before the left wing broke completely off.

 

The Boeing B-17 "Flying Fortress" subsequently crashed in Plan-Quadrant GB-7, Braunschweig.  No parachutes were observed from the enemy aircraft.

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Oberleutnant Georg-Peter Eder went on to claim a Republic P-47 "Thunderbolt" aircraft shot down 11 minutes after the frontal attack on the bomber stream.  

 

 

Later the same day, he submitted a 'Gefectsmeldung' outlining the details of the destruction of the Boeing B-17 "Flying Fortress" aircraft.  The document consisted of a whole typewritten page and was ink-signed by Oberleutnant Eder as the first stage of his claim.  

 

Also on the same day, Oberleutnant Eder's wingman Feldwebel Alfred Bindseil submitted a 'Luftzeugenkampfbericht', endorsing as a witness the claim by Oberleutnant Eder.  The document was approximatly a half page of detailed text, ink-signed by Feldwebel Bindseil.

 

Following the submission of the 'Gefectsmeldung' and 'Luftzeugenkampfbericht', Oberleutnant Eder submitted his 'Abschussmeldung' for the destruction of the Boeing B-17 "Flying Fortress" aircraft.  Taking the form of a pre-printed lay-out, specific details relating to the aircraft are recorded.  Again the document is ink-signed by Oberleutnant Eder.

 

Finally, a 'Stellungnahme der Zweischen-deinstellen' was submitted and ink-signed by Schwertertrager Major Heinrich Bär as Gruppenkommandeur II./Jagdgeschwader 1, before the complete Abschussmeldung was submitted to the Reichsluftfahrtministerium.

 

 

Post-war signed photograph of Major Geog-Peter Eder.

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The claim was verified by the Reichsluftfahrtministerium, and became abscess No 41 for Oberleutnant Eder.

 

 

Georg-Peter Eder survived the war, reaching the rank of Major and was awarded the Knights Cross with Oakleaves.  He is acknowledged as being credited with 78 confirmed abschuss.

 

Feldwebel Alfred Bindseil was listed as missing in action on 20-July-1944 follwoing aerial combat with Supermarine Spitfire aircraft over St Lo.  Ironically he was flying in Focke-Wulf 190 A-8 (+ Yellow 4, Werk Nr: 170 071)  Feldwebel Bindseil was credited with 5 aerial victories.

 

Major Heinrich Bär survived the war and was credited with 221 abschuss.  He was awarded the Knights Cross, Oakleaves and Swords.

 

 

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The Boeing B-17 "Flying Fortress" aircraft claimed by Oberleutnant Eder cannot be posively identified at this time.

 

US 8th Air Force Mission 327, 29-April-1944.

Target: Friedrichstrasse Bahnhoff, Berlin.

 

679 Bomber aircraft, 814 Figher escort aircraft.

 

Time Over Target: 11:52.

Duration: 12 combat "Boxes" drop 1271 tons of bombs in 38 minutes.

Results: Fair-Good

Luftwaffe Opposition Estimate: 350 Fighter aircraft. "Fierce".

 

Bomber Losses:

Lost 63

Beyond Repair 3

Damaged 432

 

Fighter Losses:

Lost 13

Beyond Repair 1

Damaged 30

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I hope this small set of documents from my collection might prove of interest.

 

Carrying out the research behind these simple pieces of paper is a time consuming yet highly rewarding pastime.  It would of been quite something to of been able to pin-point the exact aircraft claimed by Oberleutnant Eder however; the scale of losses on 29-April-1944 does not make this a realistic proposition.

 

If anyone can add any pieces of additional information, they will be very well received indeed.

 

 

Regards Richard.

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Hi Richard,

 

Great thread with great material and research.

 

Is it please possible to see better images of the documents ?

 

I do like such material very much.

 

Thanks for showing.

 

Best regards

 

Eric-Jan

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Hi Richard,

 

Great thread with great material and research.

 

Is it please possible to see better images of the documents ?

 

I do like such material very much.

 

Thanks for showing.

 

Best regards

 

Eric-Jan

 

Eric-Jan

 

Thank you for the kind words on the research.

 

Actually, the original research piece was of far greater depth and content however, 75% of the information was lost along with my hard-drive a few years ago.  

 

I had a full comprehensive list of the USAAF Bomb Groups and Fighter Groups taking part, with their losses individually broken down, plus I had managed to compile a list of all Boing B-17 losses on that day also.

 

Anyway, I hope the item is of interest with the 'reduced' reseach accordingly.

 

Eric-Jan, you have e-mail.

 

 

Regards Richard.

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Some time ago I picked this single document relating to Stabstaffel/Sturzkampfgeschwader 77, dated during the height of the Battle of Britain in 1940.

 

Relating to the promotion to Feldwebel for Gustav Heinbach, serving with the Stabstaffel/Sturzkampfgeschwader 77.

 

I find any Stuka related documents interesting, and with this relating to such a pivotal time in the history of World War II, I thought I would add it to my collection accordingly.

 

 

Regards Richard.

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It is the signatories of these documents which I also find interesting; in this case Ritterkreuztrager Oberst Clemens Graf von Schönborn-Wiesentheid, KIA 30-August-1944.

 

http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/index_search_db.php4?modul=search_result_det&wert1=5795&searchword=Wiesentheid

 

Taken from the Luftwaffe Officer Career Summaries compiled by Stankey and de Zang:

 

SCHÖNBORN-WIESENTHEID,, Clemens, Graf von. (DOB: 03.04.05 in München). Stabskp.-Chef in II./JG 132. 03.36 appt Staka 4/JG 132. 09.37 appt Kdr. II./St.G. 165. appt Kdr. II./St.G. 77 (to 15.05.40). 16.04.40 Maj., appt Kdr. III./St.G. 2 (to 15.06.40). appt Kommodore St.G. 77 (to 20.07.42). 21.07.40 awarded Ritterkreuz. c.30.03.41 concurrently appt Fliegerführer Arad (to c.15.04.41). 08.41 Obstlt., concurrently Nahkampfflieger Süd. 25.07.42 Obstlt., appt Kdr. Stukaschule 1 (to 07.12.42). 08.12.42 Obstlt., appt Kommodore St.G. 101 (to 06.43). 01.06.43 Kommodore St.G. 101, promo to Oberst. 06.43 appt Kommodore St.G. 1 (to 11.06.43). 10.43 Oberst, appt Kommodore SG 103 (to 06.44). c.07.44 appt Luftattaché Sofia. †30.08.44 in an Fi 156 Storch crash.

 

I hope the document might prove of interest.

 

 

Regards Richard.

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Richard

 

Very nice document and definitely an interesting, albeit, rough time for the unit considering the relative mauling the Stuka units took at the hands of the RAF.

 

I have one group myself to a Stuka pilot who served during the BoB with StG77.

 

Cheers

Jeremy

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Hi Richard,

 

Nice document, including a KC winner's signature.

 

And indeed as Jeremy says.....rough time for those guys.

 

Thanks for showing.

 

Best regards

 

Eric-Jan

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Gents

 

Thanks for the posiitve comments ont he document.

 

As you both rightly said, it was a difficult time for Sturzkampfgeschwader 77.  The Junckers Ju 87 'Stuka' was proving easy prey to RAF Fighter Command in this period.  For example, on 18-August-1940 during an attack on Thorney Island, no less than 10 'Stuka' aircraft of I./Sturzkampfgeschwader 77 were shot down and a further 6 were damaged.

 

 

Regards Richard.

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Thought I would post this Kampfgeschwader 77 document grouping as I haven't posted anything for a while.

I have had this set for a long time as it happens (thanks to a tip-off from Kevin H) however as yet, I haven't found the time to carry out a detailed research piece consequently, I shall just post brief descriptive notes with each document.

There are several documents in the grouping so it might take me a while, but I hope to get them all posted this evening.

So.....the man in question is Oberfeldwebel Horst Fischer, Fliegerschütze with Kampfgeschwader 77.

 

Regards Richard.

 

This is the only image I have of Horst Fischer, taken while holding the rank of Gefreiter.

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The earliest document in the grouping is Fisscher's 'Zusatz Verptungsschein', detailed his contract within the Wehrmacht for a 4.5 year engagement, commencing 15-October-1934.

 

The document is signed by the Major u. Kdr. II./Inf. Regt. Konigsbruck and by Fischer.

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On 19-December-1934 Horst Fischer earned the Deutsche Reichs Sportabzeichen in Bronze  (Nr: 313 179).

 

I have the couple booklet recording his sporting achievement however, I think it is enough just to post these pertinent pages.          

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