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Hi jerry i did speak to him and he told me to point you to his album.

However i agree with andy in that they were never issued in WM.

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In his album he states the following;

 

KK also states that in 1922 the "Brecknocks" amalgamated with the 3rd Bn of the Monmouthshire Regiment, perhaps this is when the Whitemetal badge appeared?

 

 

His album is vague but does not seem to imply or state that the WM's are not good?

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Not a fan of the WM Brecknocks now it is in the hand, or of the Welsh bi metal either.  Radnor and the SWB seem good to me.

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It is the flaws on the scroll that concern me, though I have seen other badges with flaws, just not like this on a Welsh bi metal.

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Jerry its a nice badge even with the over spill braze.Die flaws are common on ww1 badgesi have quite a few.

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Jerry its a nice badge even with the over spill braze.Die flaws are common on ww1 badges.

 

 

Thanks mate.

 

A good buy then except for the iffy white metal Brecknockshires.  I thought when I bid on them that the WM Brecks was not a badge I was used to seeing so no surprise if it is wrong.

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Original economy ww1 7th qoh with DIE FLAW on the E

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I have this Black watch with a flaw on it, what do you think?  I have always liked it.

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On 28-6-2014 at 7:57 PM, The Druid said:

Jerry the black watch is a good one :thumbup:

Thanks mate.

Some more Scottish badges for opinions.

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Thanks in advance.

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Badge 1 Gordon's im not liking.

It has the poppy eyes.

Badge 3 im not liking either.

Rude hand jesture and head facing foward.

All others imo are fine.

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Here are 2 originals.

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Jerry as for your pre 1922 welsh cap badge imo it is a quite a scarce one.

Its from the same maker and die as the rounded 3, 3rd dragoon guards and the leinster second pattern cap badge.

Well done. :thumbup:

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The other Scottish badges.  I was surprised to find out recently that even the AA badges are faked these days.

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Eveything is faked jerry thats why it is so hard to collect now.

Even the humble hitler youth badge is faked.

I would not like to be a new collector starting out.

May be us at our age may be the last generation who really collects.

I just do not know.

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The oft asked question, where are the younger collectors, mostly trying to get laid and drinking too much, but when they get older I think enough will collect to keep the hobby going, but prices are high and fakes abound, so it will not be easy for them, but then again so much is online now that was not there before so when was it ever easy.

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Jerry fair dous mate you have a wonderfull collection and some of your recent items i would like in mine. :thumbup:

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Jerry fair dous mate you have a wonderfull collection and some of your recent items i would like in mine. :thumbup:

 

 

Thanks Dave and the same goes for your collection, a lot of badges I would like to have.

 

A new one and the sellers pics until it arrives.  I had a fake of this badge previously and was gutted to find it was bad so this one fills the hole in my collecting soul that the duffer left.  I have done the research again as i did it wiht the first one but have found some more this time.

 

there were only two makers, Gaunt made them until 1917 and then Firmin to wars end.  the two types are slightly different and the one I have bought is a Gaunt version with makers tablet on the reverse.  It is gm and on lugs as the originals were, only the fakes are seen on sliders which is the type I had before.

 

Sadly the sellers pics are not very high res but do show enough to let me think it is a good one and the seller gives aweek from arrival to return it for a refund if not happy.

 

the one I have just bought

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the front compared with a known original example

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and the known good one on its own

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and the reverse compared.

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Hi jerry i know Diddly Squat about commonwealth badges.

The 2 Es in pionEEr seam to be sloping down.Is this a makers trait ?

All i can say is that the makers tablets are faked today especially GAUNT.

I really hope when in hand it turns out PUKKA.

cheers in advance

Dave

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Hi jerry i know Diddly Squat about commonwealth badges.

The 2 Es in pionEEr seam to be sloping down.Is this a makers trait ?

All i can say is that the makers tablets are faked today especially GAUNT.

I really hope when in hand it turns out PUKKA.

cheers in advance

Dave

 

 

I did get confirmation that it is a good one Dave, from my own research and from others in the know about these.  I have since as you know added it to the good badge data base.

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An odd one for consideration.  Normally I would assign this straight into the category of Gaunt B'ham badges made for the collectors market made in the 1970's, which is what it is, except in this case the regiment was still in existence, though in theory they would under most circumstances be wearing AA staybright badges.  It is possible that they might still wear a bi metal, though I am not convinced, but a very knowledgable collector pm'd to say that he thought they might.  I could argue that it was aprivate purchase by an old sweat who did not like the AA and was ina position to get away with wearing it, or it was for wear on headgear other than the beret and did not need a hackle holder.

 

Anyway, J.R.GAUNT B'HAM marked on the slider, RWF or's bi metal.   Most of the Gaunt B'ham badges you see were made for regiments that no longer existed at the date of roduction or so conventional wisdom says, but the RWF were still around then and wore a RWF badge up until today -though I have heard that this will soon change.

 

It was very cheap and I bought it knowing that it has issues, but it still fills a hole in my collection, so to speak.

 

 

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Imo its a reproduction.

Also not PRI.

I will post an PRI  tomorow and you will be amazed jerry.

But thats my opinion only.

The makers mark is post 60s.

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Imo its a reproduction.

Also not PRI.

I will post an PRI  tomorow and you will be amazed jerry.

But thats my opinion only.

The makers mark is post 60s.

 

 

I know about the dating of the maker mark Dave and I posted all the issues with it and agree that it is a collectors copy and posted it as such on the other forum.  It is only because of a pm that I give the slightest credence to it possibly having been used in some way by a member of the regiment.

 

As I posted it was cheap and your answer conforms with my own original thoughts on it.

 

Thanks for posting Dave, much appreciated as always.

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