Jump to content
Historical War Militaria Forum
TinLid

Helmets, Crash, Despatch Riders.

Recommended Posts

The first  HCDR  were first introduced in 1939, this one is dated 1942 & was made by CCL.

I think these HCDR's were made up until 1943, after which the HSDR which were produced from 1942 replaced them.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

More pics, of interest is the ink stamp on the inside, O donates 1942

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's the same again except this time it's dated 1941 but has an A.M (Air Ministry) stamp. Could it be an Glider pilots training helmet or an contract the A.M had  to supply their DR's with.

  

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Inside, & the maker stamps on the leather sweat band.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Construction, leather sweat band, white cotton, & the black compressed fibre band held in place by the string lace.

& a wartime picture of an glider pilot in training.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This one is the same as the first HCDR shown, same year, same maker. But has the added linen covered  felt ribs to protect the lace that holds the liner in place.

 

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Produced from August 1940 the Economy Pattern, made by the Empire Rubber Co of Dunstable.

Made of compressed rubber & fibre compound, then painted.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Produced from August 1940 the Economy Pattern, made by the Empire Rubber Co of Dunstable.

Made of compressed rubber & fibre compound, then painted.

 

 

My example of this type.

 

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

 

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

 

 

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This one is made of leather,very hard leather. Mostly used by the NFS despatch riders & others, but also touted as an glider pilot helmet. Although the latter, I have not seen any wartime pictures to back this up.

It was made by J.H.Ltd 1942, but Cliff Walsall also produced these too.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here are some wartime pictures of the helmet being worn.

NFS DR's, of the four girls, helmet on the right is leather. The others an standard HCDR but with the fire force number of 36 for Ilford London.

Also a bit of improvisation with the home made visors.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another economy pattern,the P above the W^D is for 1941.

Norman is modelling one such helmet at a jaunty angle.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another economy pattern,the P above the W^D is for 1941.

Norman is modelling one such helmet at a jaunty angle.

 

Canadian used going by the C around arrow marking.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It did cross my mind, but pretty sure it's quality control/acceptance stamp, often found on the Mk1 & Mk2 liners.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It did cross my mind, but pretty sure it's quality control/acceptance stamp, often found on the Mk1 & Mk2 liners.

 

 

I meant this one which is the Canadian version of the broad arrow mark.  The others you show are inspectors marks.

 

Please login or register to see this attachment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I see what you mean, I just assumed it was an ink stamp version of the impressed c^ on the liners.

 

 

Aaron, it is the Canadian version of the WD arrow mark.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll try & find out for sure, but it now looks like it's a British made helmet, sold to the Canadians for their troops here during the early - mid war period.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll try & find out for sure, but it now looks like it's a British made helmet, sold to the Canadians for their troops here during the early - mid war period.

 

 

Makes sense, but it is definitely a Canadian broad arrow acceptance mark.  I wonder if Empire were a foreign maker, not British?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Empire were a British Company from Dunstable Bedfordshire. In April 1940 we supplied 750 HCDR from a company called Charles Owen & Co to the Canadians.Then again another 750 in June of 1940. I think another 12,000 helmets were supplied to Canadian DR's in the UK from before 1942 & after.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Empire were a British Company from Dunstable Bedfordshire. In April 1940 we supplied 750 HCDR from a company called Charles Owen & Co to the Canadians.Then again another 750 in June of 1940. I think another 12,000 helmets were supplied to Canadian DR's in the UK from before 1942 & after.

 

 

Aaron,

 

many thanks, I had tried to research them online but with no joy so far and good to know they were a British firm.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Unfortunately it's not an Canadian stamp, I believe no British equipment supplied to the Canadian Army Overseas in the UK was re-stamped. But that's not to say it was not used by the Canadians as they were supplied with over 13,000 HCDR's by the British.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your content will need to be approved by a moderator

Guest
You are commenting as a guest. If you have an account, please sign in.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoticons maximum are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×